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Dear Scientologist [message #195] Sat, 07 November 2009 20:08 Go to next message
  isene
Messages: 426
Registered: November 2009
Location: Land of Santa
Green

If you have seen abuses in the church, or tech corruptions, or if you feel the fun is drying up, then you are not alone. Most Scientologists I have talked to up through the years have seen this and more. And many harbor some doubt about their own situation with the church. This manifests in for instance not picking up the phone to avoid registrars, not attending IAS events to avoid the pressure and coming up with small white lies about being to too busy to be on course or not affording another set of the Basics.

And then you may wonder what trouble you encounter if you were ever to report all the outpoints you see. Or if you would get expelled or SP declared if you were to stand up, say "No!" and walk out the door.

If you are indeed working on correcting the outpoints you see, I highly commend you and the rest of this article is not intended for you.

Now, here's the kicker: You inherit the condition that you do not assign and handle. If you stay silent, you tacitly condone the abuses, tech corruptions and the suppression of Scientology itself. If you do not help stop the degradation of Scientology, you are at best in a Treason condition. If you don't try to handle, in any way, the outpoints you see, you will mount up some serious work on your future Liability condition. Making up the damage for not stopping the suppression of Scientology is no small task.

Maybe it's time to take a look at what you are, who you really are and to do a real and honest Doubt condition before you amass to much amends work up the line.
Re: Dear Scientologist [message #215 is a reply to message #195 ] Sat, 07 November 2009 22:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
  Paul "Scooter" Schofield
Messages: 35
Registered: November 2009
Location: near Melbourne. Victoria,...
Red
Nice one, mate - totally agree with you.

If one doesn't step in and at least try to handle the outnesses, then one is condoning them and at least tacitly saying that it is OK that these abuses continue.

Leaving Scientology Inc. was, for me, an incredibly liberating experience as I was finally being true to myself and no longer compromising my personal integrity to try to "stay in good standing" with an organization that seemed hell-bent on crushing my individuality.

The parallels between Miscavology and Nazism are many and disturbing. The suppression of free speech, demonising of dissenters,concentration on spectacles such as events and real estate, non-delivery of any product that is wanted - the list is enormous and I'm sure anyone who can observe can add many more to it.

And the inevitable "Nuremberg defence" of "I'm/we are just following orders/Command Intention."

The path to spiritual freedom doesn't lie through the swamp of blind conformity to an obviously stupid and mean-spirited group that demands all your time, attention and money and gives little in return.

And it isn't what I signed up for all those years ago as a starry-eyed 22 year old happily sacrificing my own goals to the glorious crusade of Clearing the Planet.
Re: Dear Scientologist [message #219 is a reply to message #195 ] Sun, 08 November 2009 00:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
  Alex
Messages: 63
Registered: November 2009
Orange
Great Post Geir!!
Re: Dear Scientologist [message #248 is a reply to message #219 ] Sun, 08 November 2009 04:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
  Archangel
Messages: 310
Registered: November 2009
Green
Again Geir a well written post Smile
Re: Dear Scientologist [message #257 is a reply to message #215 ] Sun, 08 November 2009 08:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
  isene
Messages: 426
Registered: November 2009
Location: Land of Santa
Green

Interesting on the parallels to Nazism. The current church does drive a totalitarian regime that serves up many common denominators. It is befuddling though how hard it is for people to see the contrast between the basics of Scientology (in ARC, the tone scale, the dynamics, etc.) and the current leadership.
icon5.gif  Re: Dear Scientologist [message #287 is a reply to message #195 ] Sun, 08 November 2009 13:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
  Axiom
Messages: 5
Registered: November 2009
Location: Sweden
Infrared
Great article,Geir! What you say is soo true!!! Otherwise the Church wouldn´t look as it does today! There´s a long way to the bottom and during that long way people Q & A´d plenty with KSW #1 and their own integrity and thus we arrived to the current church scene! Things just doesn´t happen - they are created and if not enough people try to stop evil creations they inherit the evil condition and the only solution to this is to go out valence and be someone else Embarassed . So now the game is to get back into valence again! Smile
Re: Dear Scientologist [message #288 is a reply to message #287 ] Sun, 08 November 2009 13:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
  isene
Messages: 426
Registered: November 2009
Location: Land of Santa
Green

Axiom wrote on Sun, 08 November 2009 13:52
...the only solution to this is to go out valence and be someone else Embarassed


And the valence is often "the good scientologists" as Jason Beghe has pointed out.
Re: Dear Scientologist [message #577 is a reply to message #257 ] Tue, 10 November 2009 07:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
  zzzz
Messages: 90
Registered: November 2009
Location: earth
Orange
isene wrote on Sun, 08 November 2009 08:26
. . . It is befuddling though how hard it is for people to see the contrast between the basics of Scientology (in ARC, the tone scale, the dynamics, etc.) and the current leadership.


It is not befuddling to me. It is the norm.

Look at how many good Germans refused to see the evil of Hitler.

Look at how many good Americans refused to see the evil of George W.

Look at how many people who can not see/confront what is around them everyday. They rely on others to "interpret" or explain events to them rather than observing and judging themselves.

What was LRH's estimate of the number of "big beings"? Was it one in forty?

In my opinion, these are the people who set the direction of humanity. All the rest are merely followers.
Re: Dear Scientologist [message #857 is a reply to message #195 ] Thu, 12 November 2009 01:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
  Maria
Messages: 555
Registered: November 2009
Location: USA
Blue
Just for one moment, let's look at the life of a typical public Scn who is actively doing courses.

Monday to Friday: Get up, get the kids ready, get them to school, drive to work, work all day, pick up the kids, make dinner and eat really fast, drive over to course, study, go home, go to bed early so you get enough sleep.

Saturday and Sunday: Spend a bit of time with the kids, do the laundry, catch up on house work, handle the bills, clean up the yard, buy groceries, maybe go to an event or a movie, spend some time with wife or husband, maybe visit with friends or relatives (short visits as there isn't a lot of time), fix the car, catch up on email. You might go and do a bit of Volunteer Minister work too over the weekend.

Notice how little free time there is. They are busy, very busy. They don't have time to spend hours on the Internet. They run in to the C of S with maybe 5 or 10 minutes to spare and they run out after course as fast as they can get out the door.

As far as Anonymous pickets go, it's just one more thing you have to deal with during your day, just one more thing to delay you, just one more thing you have to put with when your relatives call to let you know they saw you on T.V.

If you do manage to get some time to surf on the Internet, and you do happen upon an extreme anti site, you leave immediately because who wants to spend precious free time reading derisive, angry, contemptuous post that go on and on and on complaining and complaining and pointing fingers and on and on and on. You read posts like Alanzos asserting that your are really just hypnotized, think to yourself, Huh??? and click off to another website.

It's much more fun to visit facebook or myspace or itunes and hang out with people you know that are having fun or do some research on the next car you need to buy, cause your car is getting old.

I lived that when I was a public Scn so I know from personal experience. I didn't watch T.V. or surf on the Internet. It just took up too much time. When I did have free time I wanted to spend it with my family and friends, not debating whether or not Scn should be scrutinized and whether or not the C of S is doing everything wrong. Of course, since I only ran in and out of the course room I didn't know if anything was right or not and I did not have the time to look. No one I knew got into "trouble" and I almost never went to events.

Please, please, please remember that most of the information about the abuses are to do with the internal problems of staff members and the majority are Sea Org members. Public Scns don't hear about it and if they do, they are in position to confirm or not confirm. They'll never even seen an Int level executive, just their little local mission or org where thing are a great deal calmer. Frankly many ex Scns do sound slightly crazed, broken record, angry, etc.

So when you say things like Scns are just irresponsible, read this again and consider the impact your sweeping statements have on public Scns who might visit this forum. Then re-read the post Geir put up that started this thread. Consider what he is trying to accomplish. Do your actions help or hinder?

Of course, for some of you, your actual intention may be to make the forum so unpalatable that none but your own friends (who share your agenda) would even be interested in coming or maybe you just want to be the center of all attention and strut your stuff. I could speculate all day about intentions and maybe nobody here is doing any of these things intentionally or otherwise.
Re: Dear Scientologist [message #1684 is a reply to message #857 ] Wed, 18 November 2009 16:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
  lasa
Messages: 156
Registered: November 2009
Yellow
Long and short for me on all of this is....

Perhaps, I have been in a position to do something about something, and didn't...
Perhaps, I have done things I shouldn't have or not done things I should have...

Perhaps, I have made errors...

And I could dwell on it, debate on it, speculate as to why....but in the long run, the big picture....the truth is (for me)....all those moments like snowflakes ...are gone...

....and so what am I left with....I am left only with now...this moment....and it is this now and this moment that will determine my future.
Re: Dear Scientologist [message #2504 is a reply to message #857 ] Tue, 01 December 2009 03:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Anonymous Participant
I too was public. And at some orgs things are not what they seem.
I am not going to sit here and rant, as that would cause you to leave this site, but I will tell you the abuses are not reserved just for Sea Org members.

BTW you can evaluate all you want. I know what happened and you probably weren't there.
Re: Dear Scientologist [message #4092 is a reply to message #2504 ] Sun, 27 December 2009 17:20 Go to previous message
  lasa
Messages: 156
Registered: November 2009
Yellow
I understand AP. I WAS there. Maybe not for your particular mention above but I was in the direct line of fire for such abuses. I almost lost my children over it. Keyword is "almost". In my particular situation the abuses were "VIVID" to me.

But like I said....

I could dwell on it, debate on it, blame myself or others, speculate as to why....but in the long run, the big picture....the truth is (for me)....all those moments like snowflakes ...are gone...

....and so what am I left with....I am left only with now...this moment....and it is this now and this moment that will determine my future
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