Geir Isene's Libility write-up on the Church of Scientology [message #1879] |
Fri, 20 November 2009 23:35  |
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This write-up is the next step after my earlier published "Doubt write-up". This is the closure on the support I have given to an organization that is acting contrary to the basics of Scientology and systematically violating human rights. The outpoints that I have witnessed is outlined in my Doubt write-up.
I became aware of systematic violations of Scientology ethics, technology and policy within the church since the autumn 2003. At that time a mission from the European headquarters in Copenhagen (CLO EU) came to Oslo and assigned the whole Norwegian field of public Scientologists the ethics condition of Treason. I was blasted for no real reason by the D/CO EU in a way that made me aware that something was rotten in Denmark. I was since made increasingly aware of the outpoints through my involvement in the OT Committee and in the OT Ambassador Programs. In the last two years before I left I spend approximately 1000 hours researching and verifying my observations. I then concluded, wrote up my Doubt formula and resigned the church on August 7th 2009.
Although I was never involved in perpetrating or promoting any abuses myself, I did in fact support the organization and feel I didn't do enough to help stop the outpoints. This liability write-up addresses the period from September 2003 till I left.
This write-up follows the formula for getting through the condition of Liability as laid out by L. Ron Hubbard (LRH). As with the earlier Doubt write-up, this also follows the WOIM format (see the WOIM definition page).
Liability formula (LRH instructions in quotes and as main points in the list)
1. "Decide who are one's friends"
1.1. My friends are people of integrity who are willing to change for
what they consider better and help others to do the same.
Note that this includes a great many people still in the Church of
Scientology.
2. "Deliver an effective blow to the enemies of the group one has
pretended to be a part of despite personal danger"
2.1. I pretended to be part of a group that worked for the greater
good, for human rights, for free speech and for the liberation of
free will. I shut my eyes to abuses in the Church of Scientology to
foster the illusion that it aligned with my purpose of freeing the
will of man by applying the technology of Scientology. The church
is not true to its stated purposes. I have since my departure from
the church helped others realize the same. My Doubt write-up was
broadly published, resulting in many leaving the church. Several OTs
read my write-up and decided to leave, creating a ripple effect that
has woken up many. Any exact number is hard to come by - but my
write-up has tipped the scale for at least 10 other OTs. The signal
effect of the only OT 8 in Norway leaving the church has been
significant. After my departure, I have been in communication with
thousands of people through meetings, phone calls, e-mail and my
Internet activities.
I put up a blog (http://elysianchakorta.wordpress.com) that has had
about 100000 views since I started blogging three months ago. After
the number of comments on my blog reached 500 per week,
I decided to set up a forum, The Scientology Forum
(http://www.scnforum.org) to promote open discussions of Scientology
in a safe environment moderated by OTs. After one week of operation it
had more than 100 registered members and more than 1000 posts.
Feedback shows that Scientologists do wake up to the "out ethics",
"out tech", "out admin" and the abuses in the church through reading
my blog and The Scientology Forum and deciding to participate in the
open exchange of viewpoints.
Through several newspaper articles, one radio show and a TV broadcast
on the main Norwegian news show on prime time, my messages have
reached more than a million people. I took a firm stand in accordance
with my personal integrity despite the consequences I knew would
come; Most of my Scientology friends have disconnected from me and
my family, my company lost three offices in Russia and there is an
ongoing black PR campaign directed at me in the church.
3. "Make up the damage one has done by personal contribution far beyond
the ordinary demands of a group member"
3.1. My blog and The Scientology Forum has served more than the
purpose of delivering a blow to the offending practices by the Church
of Scientology. The forum promotes rational exchange of viewpoints and
may very well already be the primary venue for courteous and open
discussions of Scientology on the Internet. I have as well
contributed to hundreds of people that has contacted me for help and
support in sorting out their own situation with the church.
4. "Apply for re-entry to the group by asking the permission of each
member of it to rejoin and rejoining only by majority permission, and
if refused, repeating (2) and (3) and (4) until one is allowed to be a
group member again"
4.1. This part becomes tricky as the group I ask to rejoin is the
collective of people who are willing to change for the better and
help others to do the same. It is clearly impossible to reach the
majority of such people on earth. I have thus decided to publish this
Liability formula on The Scientology Forum and let people there
decide the fate of my re-entry.
[unsticking the topic]
[Updated on: Tue, 24 November 2009 08:07]
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| Re: Geir Isene's Libility write-up on the Church of Scientology [message #1900 is a reply to message #1879 ] |
Sat, 21 November 2009 05:04   |
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Approved.
Welcome!
aka Div6 on ESMB.
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| Re: Geir Isene's Libility write-up on the Church of Scientology [message #1908 is a reply to message #1905 ] |
Sat, 21 November 2009 07:25   |
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Approved!
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| Re: Geir Isene's Libility write-up on the Church of Scientology [message #1933 is a reply to message #1879 ] |
Sat, 21 November 2009 18:35   |
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Approved!
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| Re: Geir Isene's Libility write-up on the Church of Scientology [message #1936 is a reply to message #1922 ] |
Sat, 21 November 2009 21:54   |
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MostlyLurker wrote on Sat, 21 November 2009 13:24I approve, but frankly speaking you don't need anyone's approval to be true to yourself. People may not be in the 'groups' they pretend to be, and who am I to judge if you are up to any standard? Who set the standards anyway? The group of free people has no owner and in my view you are part of it. I appreciate your integrity and the courage shown so far. Keep going your way.
I was hoping for something like this. Thank you for a very intelligent response. If I need a wingman, I'll call you.
I agree completely. And I believe this liability condition may have as-is'ed by your appeal to integrity itself.
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| Re: Geir Isene's Libility write-up on the Church of Scientology [message #1942 is a reply to message #1879 ] |
Sun, 22 November 2009 01:11   |
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Panther Messages: 11 Registered: November 2009 |
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"2.1. I pretended to be part of a group that worked for the greater good, for human rights, for free speech and for the liberation of free will."
Hang on a second. I don't mean to be pedantic but it is surely the CoS who is doing the pretending here. By being still a member you were not pretending to be part of that group. One assumes you were doing your best from within that group to acheive the above stated aims.
The group you were part of that lies, extorts, attacks critics no matter how well justified, practices people trafficking, organised fraud, forced abortions et al is pretending to be a Church.
Notwithstanding that, I approve your formula in spades. I appreciate what you do very much, and know many others do too - perhaps more than even you know.
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| Re: Geir Isene's Libility write-up on the Church of Scientology [message #1943 is a reply to message #1942 ] |
Sun, 22 November 2009 01:36   |
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I understand your point of view.
My formula would have to be read as follows:
I pretended (assumed) to be working toward my goals of freedom (of choice, of speech, of expression) by being part of the CoS.
It failed - in part because I wasn't sharp enough to realize the pretense of the church (their campaign for human rights is the pinnacle of that pretense). And the pretense rubbed onto me to that degree.
I sent the formula to Jason Beghe and he corrected me on the point of using the word "pretense" here as it could be misunderstood. In my eagerness to get it done with, I posted the formula before I got his helpful advices.
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| Re: Geir Isene's Libility write-up on the Church of Scientology [message #1946 is a reply to message #1945 ] |
Sun, 22 November 2009 03:56   |
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sure, yes, of course
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| Re: Geir Isene's Libility write-up on the Church of Scientology [message #1962 is a reply to message #1957 ] |
Sun, 22 November 2009 11:23   |
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lasa wrote on Sun, 22 November 2009 08:10Geir,
4.1. This part becomes tricky as the group I ask to rejoin is the collective of people who are willing to change for the better and help others to do the same.
Could you please define....better....and.....help.
Thank you
#4.1. refers to the decision in
#1.1. My friends are people of integrity who are willing to change for
what they consider better and help others to do the same.
Note that this includes a great many people still in the Church of
Scientology.
And help is anything that assists in moving something in its intended direction. And if you want the definition of "intended" in the last sentence, I bring you back to #1.1. where the source of that intention is the person himself.
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| Re: Geir Isene's Libility write-up on the Church of Scientology [message #1975 is a reply to message #1879 ] |
Sun, 22 November 2009 14:42   |
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I approve.
Immediately I started posting promotional info
on your forum I had two people write to me to see if they could be connected up to tech terminals, and by happy coincidsence they were right next to some.
I expect more of the same in the future, and it looks to me that you are reaching an audience I don't reach with my efforts elsewhere.
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| Re: Geir Isene's Libility write-up on the Church of Scientology [message #1998 is a reply to message #1975 ] |
Mon, 23 November 2009 06:14   |
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I approve. I am honored to be a part of this important event.
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| Re: Geir Isene's Libility write-up on the Church of Scientology [message #2048 is a reply to message #2044 ] |
Tue, 24 November 2009 08:04   |
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Exploration of truth for the mutual benefit of all.
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| Re: Geir Isene's Libility write-up on the Church of Scientology [message #2049 is a reply to message #1879 ] |
Tue, 24 November 2009 08:06   |
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I set the poll up to last for three days. It got 100% approval. I am cool on this and moving forward. Action ahead
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| Re: Geir Isene's Libility write-up on the Church of Scientology [message #2075 is a reply to message #2011 ] |
Tue, 24 November 2009 20:36   |
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Cinnamon wrote on Mon, 23 November 2009 12:54Hi Geir,
You said that your company lost three offices in Russia. I thought you mentioned that this was due to the disconnection policy? If so, can you file a complaint with the Russian authorities for that region? Have you done this already?
In the USA, if one corporation illegally interfered with the operation of another, then there would be grounds for legal action. I am not suggesting suing the CoS, but just filing the information with the Russian authorities. I think the Russian government would be interested in having some facts about the operation of the CoS.
I don't think that is a viable adventure 
The guys who were running the operations will simply claim they disconnected from me of their own volition.
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Re: Geir Isene's Libility write-up on the Church of Scientology [message #2434 is a reply to message #1879 ] |
Mon, 30 November 2009 08:53   |
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Yes, I approve, well done and I Sum my postulates to yours. I have too made errors, I have in my own way applied my conditions to this. I hope we can someday get together and I really would love to talk to you about the future.
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| Re: Geir Isene's Libility write-up on the Church of Scientology [message #2445 is a reply to message #2434 ] |
Mon, 30 November 2009 12:14   |
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If that's important to you, I approve it too, although that has never been an issue for me Maybe it has never been an issue at ll, but it's your opinion that counts above all in this matter, as it is your condition. Welcome back to where I think you never got out of
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| Re: Geir Isene's Libility write-up on the Church of Scientology [message #2888 is a reply to message #2115 ] |
Sat, 05 December 2009 09:23   |
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Alanzo wrote on Wed, 25 November 2009 06:52Come on, dude.
Are you kidding me?
You've created one of the first safe places for Scientologists and others to think freely, to talk freely, to write freely their own opinions and to counter or utter or write upon the opinions of others;
Even the Church has never created that - EVER.
You are not in liability for things that you did not do, and for things you never would do - even if you were given the chance.
I am grateful for your presence, and for what you have done.
Thank you.
For once I totally agree with Alanzo.
From memory, step 8 of the Doubt condition formula says you suffer up the conditions IF ....
And I don't believe you ever did fall into a lowered condition because of your actions, at least not on this.
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