| Re: Geir Isene's Libility write-up on the Church of Scientology |
Sat, 21 November 2009 08:40 |
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Very cool Geir 
As always you have my support.
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| Re: Geir Isene's Libility write-up on the Church of Scientology |
Sat, 21 November 2009 13:24 |
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I approve, but frankly speaking you don't need anyone's approval to be true to yourself. People may not be in the 'groups' they pretend to be, and who am I to judge if you are up to any standard? Who set the standards anyway? The group of free people has no owner and in my view you are part of it. I appreciate your integrity and the courage shown so far. Keep going your way.
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| Re: Geir Isene's Libility write-up on the Church of Scientology |
Sat, 21 November 2009 18:35 |
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Approved!
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| Re: Geir Isene's Libility write-up on the Church of Scientology |
Sat, 21 November 2009 21:54 |
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MostlyLurker wrote on Sat, 21 November 2009 13:24I approve, but frankly speaking you don't need anyone's approval to be true to yourself. People may not be in the 'groups' they pretend to be, and who am I to judge if you are up to any standard? Who set the standards anyway? The group of free people has no owner and in my view you are part of it. I appreciate your integrity and the courage shown so far. Keep going your way.
I was hoping for something like this. Thank you for a very intelligent response. If I need a wingman, I'll call you.
I agree completely. And I believe this liability condition may have as-is'ed by your appeal to integrity itself.
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| Re: Geir Isene's Libility write-up on the Church of Scientology |
Sat, 21 November 2009 23:03 |
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Geir,
I approve the formula step. On the need to do the condition vs. personal counsel, this formula is a 3D conditon formula as far as I can see. Hence, the interconnection with the group you've joined. It's not me saying 'you are OK'. It's you connecting to a group. Nice to have you in it!
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| Re: Geir Isene's Libility write-up on the Church of Scientology |
Sat, 21 November 2009 23:42 |
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I have voted, but just so you can have your stats.
To be perfectly honest Geir, I don't think that you had any need to do a liability formula. You have had the courage and honestly to realise what was going on and then stand up and be counted. It cannot have been easy for you to make that irrevocable decision, and I'm sure that there are many others who are in the same position that you were in and know that things are very wrong, but have been unable to face making that same decision.
With your example, I hope that they too can find the courage to do what is right.
Axiom142
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| Re: Geir Isene's Libility write-up on the Church of Scientology |
Sun, 22 November 2009 00:07 |
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Hi Geir,
I have studied ethics a lot and my reality is that your 3-D formula here would be with people that you KNOW exemplify the qualities you are seeking by doing this formula. Many who would sign it here or wherever may not be in the elite group that I feel you are in. By delineting who YOU feel is already in the group that you are trying to move into and asking them to sign your formula, I think will give you the most satisfaction. I do not consider myself to be in that group yet either but am moving towards it. I am still probably in the last few steps of Doubt so do not consider myself elligible do upgrade you into a group that I am not yet in. For what it is worth you have my admiration and support. I believe that you are moving into an elite group that only a handful of people may have acheived, so the group may be small. Peopel like Thoughtful, Jeff Hawkins etc. i think Marty is doing an incredible job but I don't know what condition he thinks he is in. He may have a bigger liability to do since he went into agreeement with DM for many years and committed some overts of his own but is making incredible progress in making up the damage.
ARC,
Alex
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| Re: Geir Isene's Libility write-up on the Church of Scientology |
Sun, 22 November 2009 00:18 |
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Hi Geir!
Nice formula although not needed.  I considered you a scientologist in good standing the first time I lurked on your blog  You think for yourself and (IMO) have good clear judgement. You can "ride with my posse" anytime...(cowboy term for join my group)  ........Merris  .....................
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| Re: Geir Isene's Libility write-up on the Church of Scientology |
Sun, 22 November 2009 01:11 |
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"2.1. I pretended to be part of a group that worked for the greater good, for human rights, for free speech and for the liberation of free will."
Hang on a second. I don't mean to be pedantic but it is surely the CoS who is doing the pretending here. By being still a member you were not pretending to be part of that group. One assumes you were doing your best from within that group to acheive the above stated aims.
The group you were part of that lies, extorts, attacks critics no matter how well justified, practices people trafficking, organised fraud, forced abortions et al is pretending to be a Church.
Notwithstanding that, I approve your formula in spades. I appreciate what you do very much, and know many others do too - perhaps more than even you know.
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| Re: Geir Isene's Libility write-up on the Church of Scientology |
Sun, 22 November 2009 01:36 |
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I understand your point of view.
My formula would have to be read as follows:
I pretended (assumed) to be working toward my goals of freedom (of choice, of speech, of expression) by being part of the CoS.
It failed - in part because I wasn't sharp enough to realize the pretense of the church (their campaign for human rights is the pinnacle of that pretense). And the pretense rubbed onto me to that degree.
I sent the formula to Jason Beghe and he corrected me on the point of using the word "pretense" here as it could be misunderstood. In my eagerness to get it done with, I posted the formula before I got his helpful advices.
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| Re: Geir Isene's Libility write-up on the Church of Scientology |
Sun, 22 November 2009 03:17 |
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Thank you, Geir, for your formula, and for requesting agreement that you re-enter 'the group.'
I agree with the viewpoint that the important group that you should rejoin is the group of yourself honouring your own integrity.
There is no group that has any authority over your integrity to yourself, in my opinion. If you honour your own integrity to the fullest extent that you can (and you appear to be doing that), whose opinion on the subject matters?
What can matter to others is that you serve as an example. If you want my opinion on that, it is that you are doing it very well; thanks from me for being it.
Ken
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| Re: Geir Isene's Libility write-up on the Church of Scientology |
Sun, 22 November 2009 03:56 |
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sure, yes, of course
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| Re: Geir Isene's Libility write-up on the Church of Scientology |
Sun, 22 November 2009 04:54 |
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Dear Geir.
I approve of your liability condition and wanted to communicate to you that I have tons of admiration and respect for you and your courage. I agree with all of your write ups and have very similar ideas and thoughts. This is sanity. Oh, by the way you and my daughter have the same birth date.
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| Re: Geir Isene's Libility write-up on the Church of Scientology |
Sun, 22 November 2009 07:51 |
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Count me as one of the Scientologists you helped wake up.
The subject of Integrity is being taken to its correct proportions.
And is being mantained on its right place. (Everywhere).
I see you as source on Integrity.
I´m deciding to be thar too.
Here it seems so natural,
I´m certain I can not be myself without it.
This is clearing my purpose.
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| Re: Geir Isene's Libility write-up on the Church of Scientology |
Sun, 22 November 2009 08:10 |
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Geir,
4.1. This part becomes tricky as the group I ask to rejoin is the collective of people who are willing to change for the better and help others to do the same.
Could you please define....better....and.....help.
Thank you
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| Re: Geir Isene's Libility write-up on the Church of Scientology |
Sun, 22 November 2009 11:23 |
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lasa wrote on Sun, 22 November 2009 08:10Geir,
4.1. This part becomes tricky as the group I ask to rejoin is the collective of people who are willing to change for the better and help others to do the same.
Could you please define....better....and.....help.
Thank you
#4.1. refers to the decision in
#1.1. My friends are people of integrity who are willing to change for
what they consider better and help others to do the same.
Note that this includes a great many people still in the Church of
Scientology.
And help is anything that assists in moving something in its intended direction. And if you want the definition of "intended" in the last sentence, I bring you back to #1.1. where the source of that intention is the person himself.
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| Re: Geir Isene's Libility write-up on the Church of Scientology |
Sun, 22 November 2009 14:42 |
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I approve.
Immediately I started posting promotional info
on your forum I had two people write to me to see if they could be connected up to tech terminals, and by happy coincidsence they were right next to some.
I expect more of the same in the future, and it looks to me that you are reaching an audience I don't reach with my efforts elsewhere.
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| Re: Geir Isene's Libility write-up on the Church of Scientology |
Mon, 23 November 2009 06:14 |
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I approve. I am honored to be a part of this important event.
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| Re: Geir Isene's Libility write-up on the Church of Scientology |
Mon, 23 November 2009 12:12 |
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Hello Geir,
Not only do I approve but also highly commend you for all your work you´ve done to further freedom in Ron´s spirit!
ARC
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| Re: Geir Isene's Libility write-up on the Church of Scientology |
Mon, 23 November 2009 12:54 |
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Hi Geir,
You said that your company lost three offices in Russia. I thought you mentioned that this was due to the disconnection policy? If so, can you file a complaint with the Russian authorities for that region? Have you done this already?
In the USA, if one corporation illegally interfered with the operation of another, then there would be grounds for legal action. I am not suggesting suing the CoS, but just filing the information with the Russian authorities. I think the Russian government would be interested in having some facts about the operation of the CoS.
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