| Re: games, causation and tone level |
Sun, 15 November 2009 08:27 |
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I have 12 jumps myself 
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| Re: games, causation and tone level |
Sun, 15 November 2009 16:45 |
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This one really speaks to me too!
For a long time, my senior goal as a Scientologist was the attainment of "Total Freedom",it was my first postulate when I found Scientology, but it came out of my complete despair and unwillingness to confront life at that time, and kept me in the wrong way for MANY YEARS. ¿Can you imagine a guy doing TR´S with the ultimate purpose of fleeing from this universe? well guys, that was me.(Funny, this just made me remember.....I participated in a Pilot TR´S course in Flag back in jannuary ´79 together with staff members from all over the world.I was a brand new Scientologist and staff and I was in the brand new HNED Auditor course at the Int.Training Org when Ron ordered that all people training in Tech at that time be put in that course because he found TR´S were out.We were told it was supposed to be done in a week or so.....Tapes of "passing" TR´S were being sent to Ron at his unknown location for final approval.....the first graduate(only one with direct Ron´s approval)came out in september, I was No 35 with David Mayo´s approval in oct. 7.The only tape I managed to have sent to Ron came back with this critique:"lacks prescence"....so it makes me wonder if some other guys could be in a situation similar to mine.........
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| Re: Adventure vs Total Freedom |
Sun, 15 November 2009 20:19 |
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Geir,
Indeed, life is an 'all out over the ramparts howling charge' when it's lived and I've had some incredible adventures with doing just that. I'm having a blast on the one we're together on these days and it's just better all the time, mate. YEEEEEHHHHAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| Re: Adventure vs Total Freedom |
Sun, 15 November 2009 23:05 |
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I don't know about you guys. Don't you think you need to set a good example? Be careful? After all, weak-minded individuals might try these things at home and there could be terrible, terrible consequences! One must be responsible, and safety conscious, and always act conservatively, ensuring that no one comes to any harm, ever. And Geir, I can't believe you would jump out of a perfectly safe airplane!
LOL!  
Seriously now...
I had a hilarious experience on the interpersonal front. I was walking around at an event with two long time guy friends and we were laughing and joking and having a whale of a good time. It was all games and we all knew it.
The next day I received a knowledge report about how I was "leading on" married men with inappropriate levels of ARC and setting a bad example as an OT?!??? Didn't I know that one only acted with high ARC with one's own husband or wife?!???? And racka racka racka it went on. Gasp! -- I was walking between two MARRIED men with my arms linked in their arms and we were swinging our arms!!! Gasp! -- we TOUCHED each other!!!!!
Believe or not I was confronted with this in ethics. Not by either guy's wife (they both got copies, "just for their info") and with an overlaid sympathy for how they had been "jilted" so unkindly. Both wives knew me well and thought it was the most hilarious thing they had ever read in their lives!
So after that, when any of us hung together at events we walked about like nuns and monks so as not to disturb anyone! Ever attended an event as a nun? Strange experience, odd beingness. Still fun but not as much fun.
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| when good becomes bad |
Sun, 15 November 2009 23:13 |
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Maria
I can empathize.
I lost track of the number of times I was reported on or verbally attacked for something good, which had twisted to be bad.
And I'm not talking solely about actions which were related to 2D or ARC . . . even when I came up with novel ways to disseminate Scn which were not contrary to policy.
I can understand a lot of craziness, low-toned behaviour and fear. But I have never been able to figure this one out (i.e. twisting good into bad).
CRA
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| Re: Adventure vs Total Freedom |
Sun, 15 November 2009 23:20 |
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Maria,
I understand totally. I've got lots of similar experience. It occurs to me, so does LRH. I mean, you've read the 'KRs' written on this forum about him!
What is missed by lots is the absolute blast he had in life. What isn't missed by me, is the freedom he laid the way to for me to have as much.
Here's to 'cheap hussies' the world over!!(Wink)
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| Re: Adventure vs Total Freedom |
Sun, 15 November 2009 23:32 |
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Yes, speaking of LRH, I think it is an absolute scream to try to portray him as a semi-deity, perfect and oh so serene.
I think LRH is one of those guys that broke the mold, did so deliberately and probably would be thigh-slapping and howling with laughter about somehow becoming Mother Theresa in the last 20 years!
I think he would have LOVED sky diving!
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| Re: Adventure vs Total Freedom |
Mon, 16 November 2009 01:08 |
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Himey wrote on Sun, 15 November 2009 23:20Maria,
I understand totally. I've got lots of similar experience. It occurs to me, so does LRH. I mean, you've read the 'KRs' written on this forum about him!
Himey further wrote...What is missed by lots is the absolute blast he had in life. What isn't missed by me, is the freedom he laid the way to for me to have as much. Wow. So true, Himey.
Himey:Here's to 'cheap hussies' the world over!!(Wink) Love it! 
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| Re: Adventure vs Total Freedom |
Mon, 16 November 2009 01:29 |
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To me, Games are the embodiment of the human condition. Playing them is the adventure and when the time arrives that one game is mastered, another appears, almost magically, to further challenge the human spirit to higher levels. Or to take us down new avenues that, until the previous game was mastered, were hidden from our perceptions.
For me, living with the intention of bringing joy out in others keeps that game going eternally during my life. I'm not always successful, but it challenges me to pursue new outcomes with more vigor.
For example, a friend of mine, a "redneck" welder, was getting down on life and consistently blaming others for the calamities in his life. I attempted many times to help him take responsibility for what occurs around him. But to little avail. So I changed the game with him and asked him to cut out of steel a squirrel. He did.
4 weeks in and he has produced 4 more squirrels, a duck, a fish, 2 storks, 6 pigeons, and he's considering a condor. He still blames but that has subsided due to awakened artist he's become in such a short time.
Now I'm not taking credit here. He's done that himself. But every once in a while it's sheer fun to gently nudge someone down another path and then delight in the path their walking.
I like playing "winning" games.
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| Re: Adventure vs Total Freedom |
Mon, 16 November 2009 02:10 |
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altruistichedonist wrote on Mon, 16 November 2009 01:29 . . . Now I'm not taking credit here.
And why not? It is your cause which resulted in the effect.
Quote:He's done that himself.
True, but that is the case with any (positive or negative) cash change.
In my opinion, there is no reason why he can't be 100% responsible for his progress, and for you to be 100% responsible as well.
CRA
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| Re: Adventure vs Total Freedom |
Mon, 16 November 2009 05:23 |
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Great message and nice POV Geir!
I just would add that anyways one is playing a game, the real thing (IMO) is how seriously are you playing your game? In the end how serious one can be? _DEATH_ 
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| Re: Adventure vs Total Freedom |
Thu, 10 December 2009 00:59 |
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Why then does Scientology sell "Total Freedom"? Total freedom is an all out Tone 40 - a "no games" condition.
So we get that choice.
Perhaps total freedom brings about a state wherein you can choose if you want to play a game, be in a no games condition and also be able to decide what game you want to play and with whom....possibilities are limitless.
You can still play games at Tone 40.
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| Re: Adventure vs Total Freedom |
Thu, 10 December 2009 04:19 |
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"Why does adventure outsell Nirvana?"
Simple answer: because it's in our potential.
Remember also that total freedom is not freedom from, it's just freedom. Total Freedom to create and to experience. So it is not restricted to total freedom from all creation and experience, although if one is totally free in ones ability to create, then one can "not create" as well (nirvana).
You could say that nirvana is a static in native state not creating/postulating, whilst an operating thetan is a static who is using it's potential to create/postulate.
Also, use of the word "outsell" is an assumption. In the MEST universe, it seems that way, it seems like there are nearly an infinity of statics having adventures. But isn't it likely that there is an infinity of statics not on adventures in any universe, in nirvana?
∞
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| Re: Adventure vs Total Freedom |
Tue, 15 December 2009 00:21 |
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I know what you mean and I'd like to have it more stably, it comes and goes too often. Do you find that after OT VIII, you see things as adventures more often?
There's an LRH quote involving being willing to crush or be crushed by the universe, it's a great one to post if someone has it on their computer.
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| Re: Adventure vs Total Freedom |
Tue, 15 December 2009 00:25 |
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Anonymous Participant wrote on Tue, 15 December 2009 00:21I know what you mean and I'd like to have it more stably, it comes and goes too often. Do you find that after OT VIII, you see things as adventures more often?
I sure do 
That is one of my great wins from doing VII and VIII.
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| Re: Adventure vs Total Freedom |
Sat, 09 January 2010 20:57 |
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lasa wrote on Wed, 09 December 2009 15:59Why then does Scientology sell "Total Freedom"? Total freedom is an all out Tone 40 - a "no games" condition.
So we get that choice.
Perhaps total freedom brings about a state wherein you can choose if you want to play a game, be in a no games condition and also be able to decide what game you want to play and with whom....possibilities are limitless.
You can still play games at Tone 40.
Ron said that the best way to enslave a man would be to promise him total freedom.
DM and RTC added the "Bridge to Total Freedom" instead of the "Bridge to a New World".
Sorry if it sounds like Verbal Tech but I don't have the exact lecture on my Hard Drive.
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| Re: Adventure vs Total Freedom |
Sun, 10 January 2010 00:09 |
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I will not and never will buy the Bridge to "Total Freedom" Besides, bridges are built so one can cross over or get through to the other side "from above".
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