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icon4.gif  Join the Church of Scientology and learn how to avoid trouble [message #1597] Tue, 17 November 2009 23:09 Go to next message
  isene
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At first there is the thrill, the excitement of discovering something that can really help you. You receive some communication training and your first auditing sessions. You experience personal gain, a boost in energy and interest. You overcome some barriers and feel this will help you reach your potential.

As you become a dedicated in the Church of Scientology, the demands for your time and money increase steadily:

Registrars demanding donations for books, lectures, Ideal Org building and renovations, IAS, SuperPower, ASI, Library Campaign. Any other Org staff asking for much of the same. Public Scientologists asking you to donate for the Ideal Org or the Library Campaign. Staff and public demanding your time - for the OT Committee, Ideal Org projects, getting others to donate, translation projects. The list goes on. Then there are the mandatory briefings and the local and international events. And not to forget about the recruitment interviews to get you on staff in the local Org or to the Sea Org. Then there is demands for you to disseminate Scientology to others. And if you are a business person, you should be an active WISE member. There are of course numerous other causes demanding your time and money. You may wonder how you would have any time or money left to do any study or spiritual progress.

If you do not meet the demands, you will get in trouble. If you do not toe the party line and behave and act as a real Scientologist, there are plenty of staff, public and friends ready to write a report on you for not acting correctly.

Protesting gets you in trouble. Disregarding the demands get you in trouble. Not showing up at events likewise. Saying "no" is not accepted. Exercising your personal integrity is a pretty sure way of getting you into ethics. And there you will recant or else.

You get to be an expert in being just enough active and "correct" to get by unnoticed. Answering the phone just enough times to not seem defiant. Going to half the events and sneaking out before the regging starts. Avoiding the IAS events. Hiding sufficiently. Buying only some books and lectures. You will find better and better excuses for why you don't have time and money. Your communication skills get drilled to slippery perfection. You will soon compete with Neo dodging bullets but without the benefit of CGI effects.

Doing this for a while may earn you an Aikido black belt in Trouble-Avoidance. You will also gain negative personal integrity. Because all that talent is wasted by trampling on your own self. Whereas actually doing Scientology will give you personal integrity and freedom, being a Scientologist in the church will award you the ability to avoid trouble.

The next billboard ad should be honest and truthful: "Join the Church of Scientology and learn how to avoid trouble".
Re: Join the Church of Scientology and learn how to avoid trouble [message #1598 is a reply to message #1597 ] Tue, 17 November 2009 23:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
  Maria
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Oh so true these days.

I'd add figuring out how to keep your teenage son or daughter in all kinds of sports and arts activities so they have absolutely no time to hang out at a Starbucks frequented by recruiters.

Honing up on your acting skills is something you may want to consider, for you can then appear to be happy even when you are so angry you could spit. Glad handing is another essential skill.

If it gets to be too much for you, moving to areas where there are no Churches nearby works extremely well. Just don't leave a forwarding address, and don't give out your real phone number. Eventually you just drop off the radar.
Re: Join the Church of Scientology and learn how to avoid trouble [message #1612 is a reply to message #1597 ] Wed, 18 November 2009 00:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I am totally ROTFL! I was going to ask who told on me as I have done every one and more of the avoidance routine. By the way - you omitted "I will be out of town."

I wasn't feeling too good about being not being honest so recently changed my approach. When called for several events I declined and when queried as to why, I simply replied "I am just not interested in the particular subject matter of the events you are describing but I appreciate the invitation." The other end of the phone went silent and then suddenly I heard "oh" and the communication ended with a thank you again for inviting me.

I can remember the day when it was exciting to go to the Org. The atmosphere was one of comraderie, friendship and mutual goals - whether for course, an event or just to drop by. What a different atmosphere that was.
Re: Join the Church of Scientology and learn how to avoid trouble [message #1614 is a reply to message #1597 ] Wed, 18 November 2009 00:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
  Sherry Many-Katz
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Brilliant post Geir. You've hit it on the nail. You have to become a friggin' genius at your Success thru Communication skills (the no answer answer drill especially)when dealing with the constant church terminal demands!
Re: Join the Church of Scientology and learn how to avoid trouble [message #1641 is a reply to message #1597 ] Wed, 18 November 2009 03:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The nasty part about all this is how your reach gets cut and you shrink into a smaller being. Also, the repetition of not enough money and not enough time creates a state of low/no havingness! It is awful. And one goes numb, down the tone scale, or at best goes up to 1.1 and antagonism. What the hell is one doing in a group like that?!
Re: Join the Church of Scientology and learn how to avoid trouble [message #1644 is a reply to message #1597 ] Wed, 18 November 2009 04:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I remember telling an org "confirmation caller", (about the ninth one), "Have you done your e-meter drills?" He answered that, indeed, he had. I reminded him about the drill where you learn to dirty, and then clean a needle. I pointed out that getting called so many times was dirtying my needle, because it was like I couldn't get my answer accepted to the question "are you going to the event?"

He laughed, and said something like, "well, I can see how you might see it that way."

I knew that was probably the best I was gonna get.

BTW, anonymous poster who pointed out that the only accepted answers are "no time and no money". Spot on observation. For too many, the EP of Scientology for them is No More Money. The EP is havingness ground down to the nub!

Re: Join the Church of Scientology and learn how to avoid trouble [message #1854 is a reply to message #1644 ] Fri, 20 November 2009 09:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
  scino
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"Hiding sufficiently." - The experts in communication are hiding for each other.

Sorry, I did not understand: "You will soon compete with Neo dodging bullets but without the benefit of CGI effects." Could you please explain?
Neo dodging bullets (explanation) [message #1855 is a reply to message #1854 ] Fri, 20 November 2009 09:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
  zzzz
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scino wrote on Fri, 20 November 2009 09:43
. . .
Sorry, I did not understand: "You will soon compete with Neo dodging bullets but without the benefit of CGI effects." Could you please explain?


Neo is the character in the film "The Matrix" who rises above the matrix's "reality" so that he can dodge bullets, or stop them.
Re: Neo dodging bullets (explanation) [message #2073 is a reply to message #1855 ] Tue, 24 November 2009 20:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Geir, what you describe as minimal compliance to avoid getting handled reminded me of the tactics of disillusioned Communist Party members in Eastern European countries behind the Iron Curtain.
Re: Join the Church of Scientology and learn how to avoid trouble [message #2369 is a reply to message #1641 ] Sat, 28 November 2009 09:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
  ClearlyMistreated
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Anonymous Participant wrote on Tue, 17 November 2009 18:58
Also, the repetition of not enough money and not enough time creates a state of low/no havingness! It is awful.

I agree! My husband figured this out several years ago so he tried different ways to handle their comm. He got KRs written on him for being to brusque to them and also got KRs for being too nice to them. It's a no-win. I just set my cell phone to "silent ring" for all of their phone numbers.

BTW, I recently noticed that the HCO PL called Knowledge Reports was issued in 1982. This is the one that urges us to write up everyone for every little thing. In fact, Knowlege Reports were earlier defined in the HCO PL Staff Member Reports as simply reports concerning some matter that was under investigation. I always hated giving and receiving KRs and I just don't think Ron wrote the HCO PL "Knowledge Reports" or wanted us to go around spying on everyone for the org like the Hitler Youth.
Re: Join the Church of Scientology and learn how to avoid trouble [message #2374 is a reply to message #1597 ] Sat, 28 November 2009 16:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
  Maria
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Policy letters have a section at the top left of the page that shows which organizations and posts a policy letter applies to. Policies that apply to the public are noted as BPI (broad public issue.) The policy letter Knowledge Reports only shows that it is applicable to staff positions, and does not show BPI. It also only discusses what staff members should do, with no mention of public Scientologists.

If it really were for public Scientologists, then we would all need to be given hatting on how to retract knowledge reports correctly, what to do if falsely accused and we would need statistics on our posts to demand ethics protection if given knowledge reports.

It's part of a staff reporting system and it is being misapplied and that's why its so bloody batty.

Re: Join the Church of Scientology and learn how to avoid trouble [message #2375 is a reply to message #2374 ] Sat, 28 November 2009 17:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
  isene
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Maria wrote on Sat, 28 November 2009 16:46
Policy letters have a section at the top left of the page that shows which organizations and posts a policy letter applies to. Policies that apply to the public are noted as BPI (broad public issue.) The policy letter Knowledge Reports only shows that it is applicable to staff positions, and does not show BPI. It also only discusses what staff members should do, with no mention of public Scientologists.

If it really were for public Scientologists, then we would all need to be given hatting on how to retract knowledge reports correctly, what to do if falsely accused and we would need statistics on our posts to demand ethics protection if given knowledge reports.

It's part of a staff reporting system and it is being misapplied and that's why its so bloody batty.



ANd that was a genius post. Thank you, Maria Cool
Re: Join the Church of Scientology and learn how to avoid trouble [message #2382 is a reply to message #2375 ] Sat, 28 November 2009 21:25 Go to previous message
  Joe Doakes
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Wonderful post Geir!

I've experienced much of the above and once I realized how no/low havingness would come about due to working hard to get people to agree with me about not having time/money it became even more important to avoid it all. I mean I'd have to make it really solid and have a nice heavy agreement that I was in a horrible condition before I'd be left alone. And I needed to keep things that way to not be bothered anytime soon. The good news, it "works"! I did horribly and they left me alone for years! WOOT!

To Clearly Mistreated, I also have received reports for being too harsh in replies as well as "too nice". It was very difficult and took an artful tack to avoid it all.

But more to Geir's point, you really do become a conversation ninja over time. Using "no time" or "no money" are instantly rebuked with policy handlings about those not being the true cause of your troubles. And I remember at Flag when saying, "I'm not interested..." hearing a quick reply of, "Oh, that's alright. I don't need your interest..."

So yeah, always learning new ways to avoid and stay out of trouble. The sad part is I did it for so many years I find myself doing it out of habit even on things that I'd really like to do! Have a friend call me up to do something and find myself "getting out of it" only to realize I would have loved to do that! It's sad but true...
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